i'm glad some groups never disappoint. glad to see you are just one of those dicks hiding behind the safety of their internet connection but lacking the balls to actually stand up

Why are you destroying the super capital community...

How is the looping aggro timer going to affect people who Disconnect from no fualt of there own, are they also suppose to lose there supers from relooping aggro timers. I mean its a good idea if there is measures in place to make sure people who disconnect are not unjustly affected.

Don't know don't care. After reading the cap ship nurf blog I have reacquired 8.7 gig of HD space for more useful purposes.

Carrier = Can launch standard drones

SUPERCarrier = Cant?

CCP are evidently Goon pets that could be ofc a big reason for this monumental **** up. Failness breeds more fail.

When the first sentence of a post is wrong about the most basic mechanic of how a ship works and with all the post here to read, why exactly am I going to waste time reading any further ?

Ok, so, looking at your last 10 posts or so, the only thing you've made me think would be a good idea is for you to shut the hell up..
You're obviously hating on ccp and goons, and if you honestly think the game is that bad a shape you should probably find another one. I hear WoT is the 'bittervet refuge' at the moment. Less pointless rage, more leaving.

Please...?

I am not actually allowed to like this more than once..

Supercapitals on the other hand are beyond salvation in their current form and need to be redone from scratch.

You can argue for one set of changes over another when it comes to dreads and carriers, but for the most part everyone knows what they should be for and doesn't dispute that. Motherships/SC and Titans have no specific role that needs to be done, but most people agree on what they should be: big, powerful, scary, yadda yadda.

I don't know about you but I'm not very scared or impressed by a ship any rich carebear can get, adding to the pool of hundreds/thousands already out there.

In my opinion, Motherships/SC should be the ideal mobile support base for small to medium sized gangs (up to 30), and the ultimate wet dream for corporations who want to live in deep space without laying a very visible and vulnerable claim to it. Their primary role should be to have a secret and safe gathering point with basic facilities such as cloning and production. It's main defense would be stealth and the relative mobility that starbases do not have. Once discovered it needs to be defended just like any other asset.

Titans on the other hand are even simpler. If there is more than 3-6 in the hands of players at any given moment, something is fundamentally wrong with their implementation. This means that a Titan should be able to support an alliance fleet and essentially bring your sov / space with you much in the same way a real world supercarrier acts as a staging point for planes and bombers. It would cost a lot to upkeep in both manpower and resources, it would be very visible and impossible to hide, it would not be any more defenseless than a deathstar POS. It would be something you park in any system you want to control but don't and probably won't anytime soon (examples; YZ, NOL, BKG, AZN, etc).

The number of supercap pilots with incredibly unreliable connections amazes me. It's a mystery how you ever managed to amass the price of a super, what with your ISP kicking you off the server every 1000 seconds or so.

why dont you just revert the changes, so that super carriers become motherships again. give players teh fighter bomber skill points back and be done with it.

dont care, he helped break the game by being part of an expoloiting party that resulted in imba that ccp couldnt fix, he should get no support from community and should instead be banned like other game breaking people have been in the past

(kugu for example)

two step is nothing but a supporter of all that is wrong about this game, and should be classed with people from eve's dark past, banned forever and playing hello kitty online to ease his pain

GG CCPswarm, GG

Same can be said for standings and coalitions. You have groups that have 45000 members with individual allainces having close to 7000. The barrier for entry for a new group into 0.0 is too high. There is no way a new group can have any chance against a 7000 man alliance or its 45000 blues. Clearly coalitions and giant alliances are in need of a nerf. Its unfair and im sorry I know you spent years getting your group to this point but you are breaking the game. Were going to have to reduce your size and strength to level the playing field. No hard feelings its for the good of the game.

If you are dumb enough to bring your over priced pirtate implants an 6% concord implants out of the hull that keeps them safe, then you go right ahead.

That would be like a battleship pilot asking to have turrets that can turn into blasters or railguns without having to refit. Forcing the player to choose is a good thing.

Best thing CCP can do to save them selves and save some dignity & respect for themselves is to rework the winter patch. As it currently is its an insulting bunch of biased fail.

Need to rework the rework and come back again when you have something in all aspects positive and going forward for Super capitals and subcapitals alike. Some of the changes in the patch are so blindly being made that yet again people wonder if CCP actually takes time out of developing to actually play eve an know what the hell goes on in EVE, from the look of this patch I would be right in saying that.

As has been said before, instead of refining supers and titans CCP gets an axe and hacks away at them blindly leaving them as a mass hunk of scrap. Almost as though ccp are cracking a Joke to P1ss people off. The way the patch currently stands at,ccp are dooming the game we all love to its end. They will both lose themselves an absolute shed load of money from this fail patch & lose a hell of alot of players (mostly vets) who take this as the last straw. If it goes ahead expect significant drop in players attending EVE that much is obvious.

I hope ccp implements 2 diferent in drone bays in supers carriers 1 for 25 figthers 1 for 25 bombers that would make sense.

What stops them from bringing just carriers with fighters?With their alt accounts and more?

I would like to know if CCP, with this patch, is trying to ruin the "end game" of EVE Online..

I am a fairly new player. I follow the skill curve..
FIrst i go for frigates, then cruisers, then BC's and finally BS's...
Now i would go for a carrier and then a Super...

so im assuming with the reduction to the drone bay the material requirement for these ships will be less. and therefore more affordable? sooooo those of us who have fronted the massive bill to pay for these now less useful ships will be reimbursed for the robbery of some of the materials we have already paid for?

Just needed to make sure I got in on this threadnaught.

Why should 20 billion isk worth of Hurricanes be the most versatile forces capable of dealing with support, BS fleets, capital fleets, supercapital fleets and sov warfare

Stop posting goon

Bad example buddy (Bismarck was a battleship not a Carrier - or super carrier for that matter, it was a faction BS ) ... you do realise that he was always in fleet with a HAC (Prinz Eugen) just to be heavily damaged by a Carrier (HMS Ark Royal) later the final blow was made by BS'es ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck

a goon?

You sound like an idiot.

Oh I get it, anyone that doesn't agree with you is painted with the same brush. Gotcha.

And with that attitude we should all care what you think... why?

Supercaps can kill supercaps therefore supercaps aren't overpowered?

OK.

Once again you fkn morons! The problem is the blob, NAPs and numbers instead of skill. The only thing the nurf will bring to the game is bigger blob, since there is no counter to it. CCP and all you ****** can never see the real issue, it has been like this for fkn 5 years and no matter how you balance the ships, it will always be there until the game discourages blobbing instead of encouraging it. But the loudest voice is that of the goons who always whine about nerfing the only counter to their blob that there is and since CCP has been bending over like a little ***** in heat to the goons for years, this game has been **** and it will continue to be ****. No nerf will change that, it will only bring more whines of "CCP, fix your game" when 3K blob cant do **** due to the lag that the nerf will bring. Idiots.

To ppl that says that supers are overpowered and cant be killed.
Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj9kKF9LhaM&feature=player_embedded

Fixed for ya.


Evekill is down now, but IIRC they did it against a bigger supercap fleet, but with a good support fleet.

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ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts

How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.

nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great

sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..

but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.

on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time

IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
let advanced carriers dock

So..... "Dreadnoughts are not good enough".....

and you are going to FIX it by REMOVING all the Drone bays and adding NOTHING.

This is a "FIX" how, EXACTLY!?!??

Just so you have your vocabulary straight, REMOVING something, and adding NOTHING; yeah, that's a NERF not a FIX. And NO, adding something that works ONLY when you are in Siege mode does not count as "adding something" when you take AWAY something that you can use any time. Because removing drone bays makes dreads a HELL of a lot more vulnerable than is even closely compensated for by the SLIGHT increase in Siege DPS. You would lamost have to DOUBLE the DPS bonus to come even CLOSE to the worth of what you are taking away. I mean seriously, how many dread pilots would trade the 75% additional siege DPS for their drone bay back? I took a poll from the dozen or so dread pilots I know and NONE of them would trade their drone bay for the siege dps as proposed. NONE. Not a single one. But, here is comes anyway. Yet another nerf by CCP shoved down our throats.

Just checking in with that little point.

Oh, yeah, and HOW, again, EXACTLY, is NERFING the HELL out of CARRIERS (with the fighter 'FIX") going to fix SUPER-CARRIERS???!!??

Just CCP playing Russian roulette with our thousands of paid days of account time and millions of skill points.... AGAIN..... I guess....

F-ing JERK-OFFS!!!!

When is CCP going to STOP taking AWAY from the players and actually GIVE something to us..... NEVER I guess..... Time for a NEW GAME if you want that little "feature" of getting something BACK from the company you pay I guess.....


...out....

Lol Subtarian so group A correctly predicts the 2nd most expensive and 2nd hardest to train (if not hardest to train due to immense drone skills 20m+) biggest ships in the game would be very powerful in groups. Lots of people see this ship as the best for the multiple uses and circumstances, so it becomes FOTM for the vets, therefor because some noobs havnt had time to train for them and cant beat these skilled vets they cry that their ships are OP, your argument seems to be flawless.